My trigs and maths aren't very good (neither is my spellin) so... If you have some points on a grid (X,Y) and you want to rotate them (sort of like a bit map rotate in a paint program but these are points), ah...er...ahem...cough... how do you do it? COS I just TAN figger it out..._sine... Mel Patrick - theWabbitGuy - mel@... mailto:mel@... http://www.intergate.bc.ca/business/mel